Drew Perkins talks with writer, educator, and futurist Zak Stein about the past, present, and possible future of education.

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  1. Maureen Bakis

    OMG…you two articulated so much of EXACTLY what I am writing about in my forthcoming book, It’s Not About the Grades: Love for Learning Beyond Schooling. I just quit my job as a classroom high school teacher after 14 years not because of the sterotypical reasons of poor pay and burnout etc, but because of an identity shift. So I am writing a memoir about the (my) process of self-actualization (via yoga practice)– and how what I learned and who I realized I really am clashed with the values of schooling to the point where my integrity was challenged, so I quit. It’s the story of the true identity of a teacher which obviously covers what teaching and learning are and what they are not, thus I give critical commentary on this modern/post-modern education conundrum you two were discussing. My blog tells more about my work including podcasts and excerpts from the draft of my book, if you are at all interested. I am not trying to self-promote, but just to let you know that listening to this podcast confirms my work is relevant and I will surely be quoting and citing this podcast and probably Zac’s work in my book. (You know when you are writing — it can feel like you are in total isolation or that you are so lost in the crowds and voices of a gazillion others online that you fear your voice won’t be heard or that what you are writing is totally irrelevant or cliche). I am so glad I found this site. I did so by Googling “What Happy Teachers Know” because I want to write another book for teachers and that search led me to an article on your site about Good Teachers Don’t Do What They Are Told. Then found the site and podcast. I am VERY interested in the future possible models for education and would love to get involved with its development! I am teaching yoga and writing and trying to figure out how to do the authentic teaching I loved so much but outside of the formal institution of education. I am sure you will hear from me again, as I plan to listen to some of the other podcasts and scour your site. Thanks for your work.

    • Drew Perkins

      Thanks for listening Maureen, I’m happy to hear it was helpful!

  2. Edward Berge

    Is there a transcript of this talk? Thanks.

    • Drew Perkins

      Hi Edward, I’m sorry but no there isn’t at this point. It’s something we’d like to be able to do but haven’t yet figured out a way to do that efficiently and cost-effectively.

  3. Humayun Mujahid

    Hi Perkins, you guys are doing a fabulous job, indeed. The thing I liked most in this podcast is the pace of speaking which is fully understandable for someone like me who’s a non-native speaker of English. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge, experiences and impressions on the subject in such a lively manner.


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